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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.04 12:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
we become unstoppable
Join the fighting and then you can use the word "we" in this context.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
In this future of yours, how will people with the will to seize their own destiny do so if there are artificial limitations placed on them by the one government of your friends in Bloodveil?
You aren't listening to a word he says. Anybody with a will to seize their own destiny doesn't care a jot for "artificial limitations" they make their own fate and forge their own destiny without gods, governments or claptrap puling amarrians frenziedly typing nonsensical critiques while trapped in stations, influencing their ambitions.
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Posted - 2007.04.07 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
However, I must ask you this: If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you wish in whatever way you wish - should you not extend that same courtesy to others?
We have precisely no respect for cowardice.
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Posted - 2007.04.07 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
However, I must ask you this: If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you wish in whatever way you wish - should you not extend that same courtesy to others?
We have precisely no respect for cowardice.
Is that the best you can come up with? You have no answer to my question so you try with an obvious flamebait?
As for the quality of the bait you present, it makes your attempt to degenerate the disussion even worse. We have told you repeatedly that we find you to be rather insignificant. Do you honestly think we care one bit what you do or do not respect?
Perhaps you should leave the posting to Mr Cosmopolite and others like him. People who at least makes an attempt to present an intelligent view on the debate.
Try answering the question next time - If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you wish in whatever way you wish - should you not extend that same courtesy to others
Sorry, I only read the words of those with the courage to support their views in space. Come win my respect with actions and then I might be prepared to give you an answer.
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Posted - 2007.04.07 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
So instead you post replies to posts you haven't even read?
You are beneath even contempt.
And yet I and my comrades are free to go where we choose in your capital systems and you are not. Must be maddening for you.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2007.04.08 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
The issue here, at least as far as I'm concerned, is that at the very basic level the ideologies expressed by SF and Bloodveil are incompatible.
The issue here is that a coward who has thus far played absolutely no role in the fighting has no place to debate or criticise either entity that believes in personal responsibility, individual strength and opposition to the status quo. I am trying to drop you subtle hints here but until you come and do something substantive about your "concerns" you are occupy the position of a windbag no more and no less.
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Posted - 2007.04.08 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
You Jasmine should probably concentrate on the question put to you: If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you wish in whatever way you wish - should you not extend that same courtesy to others?
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I expect nothing from my enemies except that they be prepared to risk their cowardly skins in battle while presuming to lecture people on galnet. You have precisely no right to expect courtesy from me, you have done precisely nothing to deserve it.
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Posted - 2007.04.08 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
So you're saying that people who arn't fighting, with their own ships in the middle of combat, arn't worth anything?
Amarrian's on the PIE side certainly.
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Posted - 2007.04.08 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
I take it then, that you cannot come up with an answer either Mr Atandros? If it helps you, then please do pretend the question is asked by anyone you like. That isn't really important. The question remain the same.
For you convenience, I'll post it again below:
If you expect others to respect your right to fight whomever you wish in whatever way you wish - should you not extend that same courtesy to others?
When the entirety of the opposing allied forces meets in a dramatic fleet battle and pursuit and you are the only person hiding in a station you have to get an inkling of the reason why it is we disrespect you so.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
B) I did, in fact, send a servant (some would, for some reason, label him an "alt") of mine to the proceedings as it was deemed that his field of expertise was more needed than mine. That should probably count as an extenuating circumstance as well.
If you send a servant to fight for you then send him to speak for you also. He'll receive a better hearing than you if he has actually undocked and exchanged fire with us in this war.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2007.04.09 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Whilst the loss of Admiral Zhuul's ship was regrettable, you appear to have put just the slightest amount of spin on the events of last night by omitting to mention the Raven, Curse, Armageddon, Dominix, Megathron, Hurricane, Myrmidon, Vagabond and two Deimoses lost by SF shortly beforehand. Now, perhaps you would care to stop focusing on your manly efforts to kill a single ship and instead concentrate on the matter in
hand?
Thats quite a way to spin the greatest loss of Amarrian Fleet power in Amarr system in the last couple of years Rodj. Fact of the matter is that the PIE fleet was fought to a stand still by a smaller group and then routed by our reinforcements leading to a humiliating pursuit where you ran so fast you left first your CEO to be tackled and ceremonially executed in the ruins of her Armageddon, then your old admiral to meet the same fate a system later when your fleet scattered to the winds blown away by the Fraction storm. This is your capital system we are talking about, now it is the graveyard of your hopes and ambitions. Lets place this in the proper historical context.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 11:26:00 -
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Ah the old talking absolute nonsense defense. Okay, enjoy life in Rodj Blake world.
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Posted - 2007.07.24 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Hardly a rant, however, I refer you to the part of this discussion where I point out the ideological differences between Bloodveil and Star Fraction, and that the only objective that they share is the overthrow of the Empire.
As the readers of this forum have had to suffer for years now Rodj: since you are clearly incapable of understanding the merest element of Star Fraction ideological philosophy its difficult to see how you can presume to lecture anybody about ideological differences between us and anyone else.
Simply accept that your nationalist mind cannot conceive that an organisation exists that literally does not care about the interactions of third parties and doesn't consider itself bound to police or comment on those interactions where it is literally none of our business.
Star Fraction has fought and humiliated the Amarrian nationalists Rodj - at this point that is all you need to remember and let the knowledge of your weakness in the testing bring a shiver to your palid skin when you wake from vivid nightmares in the small hours.
Who knows, we might never come back. Perhaps six months from now you can convince yourself that the whole episode never happened and PIE have an uncheckered history of continual victory and martial accomplishment. Whatever Rodj -
But do not presume to claim you understand us.
You understand nothing and your painfully transparent attempts at manipulation are childish and pathetic and serve only as a clown's ministrations in the shadow of your complete martial collapse as a force of one-time significance in the affairs of nations and post-national entities.
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Posted - 2007.07.24 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
As for your tired old line about the SF humiliating us, do I really need to list the lies that you are proven to have told regarding our conflict yet again?
There is no point whatsoever in you listing your lies and false accusations claiming other people are "lying" Rodj. The only people that believe a word you say are brainwashed Amarrian nationalists and dupes of amarrian nationalists. Most everyone else quietly wishes you'd simply stop or disappear but is wary of verbalising such thoughts through fear of being the recipients of fresh bouts of Rodj-esq frenetic outpourings.
As for me, well, I'm happy we humiliated you personnally on several occassions in the recent war and your entire nationalist community in the Vigil for the worm-emperor that our alliance played a significant hand in turning into a blood-soaked carnage for loyalists on the last day of the war.
Spin away the loss of 90% of your battlegroup and your personal podding in the wreckage of the ship your predecessor used to flee from the battlefield in as you like Rodj - but personally I have more respect for the intelligence of the average reader and will let them reach their own conclusions as to what happened there.
But the point of this thread now (as then) is that you are desperately afraid of your enemies and though you understand precisely nothing of our SF idealogy you can't help but rattle out substandard attempts at intrigue and manipulation to try and improve your position.
But don't worry Rodj! The war is over and you can now undock safely once again. You really don't have to keep doing this. Back to sleep and serving the Amarrian agents. Carry garbage to Sarum Prime for profit! Mine some Omber in Mista! Enjoy the sights of your homeland once again. Go be free, enjoy the respite. Our gift to you. Peace has come so go play reenactment games with the Electus Matari around chosen stargates. You "earned" it. 
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Posted - 2007.07.24 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Evanda Char
Think what you like Jasmine, but every shot of ours is as real as yours.
Yes we heard about your "vigils" and public expressions of mutual respect at the parade for the worm-emperor. But your business is your own of course - you have no need to justify your "worth" to me.
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Posted - 2007.07.24 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Need I go on?
Don't let me stop you making a fool of yourself 
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Posted - 2007.07.29 10:33:00 -
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So Electus Matari is the latest home for the seething remnants of the Kimotoro Directive now is it? Nice to know that your quest for a sympathetic ear takes you to very strange places - once a tool of State nationalist militia propped up by Amarrian fleet intervention and now an enlightened anti slavery campaigner - quite the ideological turnaround you have yourself there.
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You now belong to an organization that uses most of its members as cogs in the machine for the boosting of the egos of your leader(s) and directors.
And you a former self-declared state auxillary "policeman" dare lecture a free captain about being a "cog in the machine" - you have never understood the least part of fraction ideology davlos and that you consider yourself capable of holding forth on the subject impresses not in the slightest.
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By proclaiming yourself free in perceptions by joining such an organization and adopting its meme, you have, yourself, trapped yourself in your own enclosure.
By proclaiming such nonsense you have wrapped yourself in the same cloak of mediocrity you've been clinging too as a security blanket since Mito. You seem to believe that the fraction considers all memes are regressive and we can exist beyond the concept of shared ideas. Next I imagine you'll parrot the Amarrian saw that since we're anarcho capitialists we shouldn't have gang leaders or unified target calling and we're hypocrits because we cooperate. Really this is tired old rhetoric that we've doused from your lips a dozen times before. Must you insist on dragging Electus Matari into your feud now?
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An organization that fails to respect its enemies is one unworthy of respect.
This is because we didn't respect you? You who crouched in the mito docks while other braver men fought and battled for the loyalist cause? We respected some opponents Davlos - we respected some very much actually and considered them capable and dangerous. But you are right - we never did respect you in the slightest - I imagine that must still sting.
But there is a more profound point here beyond your personal experience. You say that an organisation must respect its foes? Why? Simply because they are "foes?" You basically want respect handed out like welfare bonds to the needy whereas I believe respect must be earned.
All our enemies who have earned respect are respected. Those who have earned nothing but our derision are derided. Do you honestly think your mewling complaints are going to earn you respect at this point? If you hate us come and fight us Davlos - teach us to respect you. But I assure you continuing your galnet-only feud from behind the doors of *yet another* 3rd party organisation is going to do nothing to make us think of you in kinder terms.
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An organization that announces itself the liberator of memes and spreads its own meme about its members that have little or no understanding of the intellectual fad behind it is hollow and has carried on through its strength in ISK.
You really are bitter about this aren't you? The Meme's we fight are regressive ones - like the nationalist basis of the Kimotoro Directive alliance we destroyed as you hunkered down in the ruins Davlos.
Are you believing that Electus Matari with you inside would fare any better now? Is this your pitch for round two and a chance to erase your past failure?
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With little understanding of how its previous opposition could be defeated, it clocked up a better kill/loss ratio and spun a victory for itself, left the vicinity and let the opposition reoccupy the area.
Yet somehow the ideal of nationalist invulnerability doesn't look quite as shiney as it did a year ago does it Davlos. I see a lot of fear on the faces of state loyalist organisations. A lot of nervous shuffling about ..
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Your time is better served elsewhere.
Whereas I confess you are in the perfect place for a man of your limited talents.
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Posted - 2007.07.29 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Davlos
You will find, Constantine, that for my departure from the nullsec arena, we may actually agree on something - I've seen the sights of any capsuleer would've dreamt of gazing upon: Fleet engagements, titans, doomsday weapon activations, capitals bashing against each other, and have tired of them.
I don't think we will agree since I always considered your move to nullsec to be another way for you to hide from your enemies. Delve and fountain are very safe places for those on good terms with band of brothers. I wonder if you are tired of the tedium if anything.
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I took leave of my Family on positive terms and found a home in Electus Matari. But for what reasons, I'm afraid they shall remain personal.
I don't really care what your reasons are Davlos but I encourage you to continue verbally "attacking" Star Fraction from within the ranks of Electus Matari. Just as you did from within the ranks of Kimotoro Directive last summer it will be interesting to see what the ultimate consquences are.
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However, despite the many months, Constantine, you still seem capable of clinging on to the past and never seeming to let them go, still adept at sidestepping the main points at hand and erecting fresh legions of strawmen. For that, you certainly deserve a medal for Predictability of Apparent Debate.
Boldly spoken for a man who has never gotten past Mito Davlos.
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Posted - 2007.07.29 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
It is not a common experience that I find myself in agreement (more or less) with a pilot of the Electus Matari. It is so rare in fact, that I will have to comment on it.
Whereas ironically I have found that PIE and Electus Matari have an awful lot in common from my observations over the past months. You are both nationalists devoted to maintaining the status quo, you both respect each other as foes and enjoy polite chit chat in local. Both sides enjoy polite little jousts you publicise as wars and both are quick to support each other publicly when threatened by anarchists and nere-do-wells beyond your reenactment society cliques. You are united of course by your hatred for Star Fraction expressed in channels local and private and we track the corrospondence between your leaders with interest.
But really, this serves only to prove the point the Fraction makes at the core of its ideology - nationalism is a trap and even the faux wars between nationalist entities serve only as a safety valve for capsuleers desiring to "play at war" go make believe they are actually fighting. PIE and Electus Matari are two sides of a coin - you are almost completely alike and this is why a person like davlos can so easily switch from "oppressive would be state tyrant" to "starry-eyed freedom fighter" lauding the respect and honour of his slaver foes.
I know you don't like to hear this but from a Fraction perspective the Amarrian and Republican loyalists are virtually inseparable. The matari will never be free while they ah led by a collaborator like Midular and bowed to submission to nationalist hierarchy and the ancient memetics of imperialism.
You are playmates caught in codependence and mutual need - PIE need to "play" at being slavers and march around making believe they expand the empire. EM need to "play" at opposing this evil and staging mock duels at gates between agreed holidays and mutual backslapping.
Its a hard truth I grant you. But it is a truth. And though you will howl and deny the words I speak here (for to do otherwise would admit terrible failings in your ambition and imagination) you know in your hearts my words cut deep and I genuinely pity you that.
Be easy though nationalists (amarrian and republican alike) maybe the Star Fraction is simply a children's tale told by stern planetbound patriarchs to keep you tucked up in bed at night. If you close your eyes really tight it may be possible to imagine we don't exist and will never come for you.
Go ahead and give it a try. It really is all you've got.
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Posted - 2007.07.29 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 29/07/2007 21:28:07
Originally by: Archbishop
I'd have thought the freedom of speech exercised by a capsuleer pilot such as Davlos would be something the Star Fraction would embrace given their quest for "free capsuleer identity" and "evolution".
It makes perfect sense to me that a station-locked nithling like yourself would indeed laud the concept that an IGS blowhard could snipe without consequence on the summit. Unfortunately for you, Davlos, and possibly the Electus Matari organisation itself - the universe doesn't work like that and while everyone is free to say whatever they like whenever they choose the audience is also free to respond however they choose whenever they like in counterpoint.
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To support the freedom of the mind the Star Fraction extols yet deny those that exercise same freedom the right to do so without threat and attempted intimidation appears quite hypocritical.
We have never supported the right of cowards to make public attacks without consequence.
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